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Brazilian Air Force says Debris not from Air France Crash

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RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (CNN) — The Brazilian air force said that debris picked up Thursday near where officials believe Air France Flight 447 crashed Monday into the Atlantic Ocean was not from the plane.

“It has been verified that the material did not belong to the plane,” Brigadier Ramon Borges Cardoso told reporters in Recife about the material recovered Thursday. “It is a pallet of wood that is utilized for transport. It is used in planes, but on this flight to Paris, there was no wooden pallet.”

He added that oil slicks seen on the ocean were not from the plane, either, and that the quantity of oil exceeded the amount the plane would have carried.

“No material from the airplane was picked up,” he said.

The announcement left open the question of whether other debris that had not yet been plucked from the ocean might be from the plane.

On Wednesday, searchers recovered two debris fields and had identified the wreckage, including an airplane seat and an orange float as coming from Flight 447. Officials now say that none of the debris recovered is from the missing plane.

Helicopters had been lifting pieces from the water and dropping them on three naval vessels.

Brazilian Air Force planes spotted an oil slick and four debris fields Wednesday but rain and rough seas had kept searchers from plucking any of the debris from the water.

Officials said searchers had found objects in a circular 5-kilometer (3-mile) area, including one object with a diameter of 7 meters (23 feet) and 10 other objects, some of which were metallic, Brazilian Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral said.

The debris was found about 650 kilometers (400 miles) northeast of the Fernando de Noronha Islands, an archipelago 355 kilometers off the northeast coast of Brazil.

Eleven aircraft and five ships are engaged in the search, including airplanes from France and the United States.

Earlier Thursday, a public interfaith service was held for the 228 victims at a 200-year-old Catholic Church in downtown Rio. Joining family members were members of the Brazilian armed forces, who are leading the recovery effort.

“Whoever has faith, whoever believes in God, believes in the eternity of the soul,” said Mauro Chavez, whose friend lost a daughter on the flight. “This means everything.”

Investigators have not yet determined what caused the plane to crash. The flight data recorders have not been recovered, and the plane’s crew did not send any messages indicating problems before the plane disappeared.

A Spanish pilot said he saw an “intense flash” in the area where Flight 447 came down off the coast of Brazil, while a Brazilian minister appeared to rule out a midair explosion.

Meanwhile, a report in France suggested the pilots were perhaps flying at the “wrong speed” for the violent thunderstorm they flew into early on Monday before the Airbus A330’s systems failed.

Le Monde newspaper reported that Airbus was sending a warning to operators of A330 jets with new advice on flying in storms.

As several ships trawled the debris site in the Atlantic, Brazil’s defense minister said a 20-kilometer (12-mile) oil slick near where the plane, en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, went down indicated it probably did not break up until it hit the water.

If true, that would rule out an in-flight explosion as the cause of the crash of Air France Flight 447, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim told reporters.

However, both pilots of an Air Comet flight from Lima, Peru, to Lisbon, Portugal, sent a written report on the bright flash they said they saw to Air France, Airbus and the Spanish civil aviation authority, the airline told CNN.

“Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds,” the captain wrote.

Air Comet declined to identify the pilot’s name but said he waited until landing to inform Air Comet management about what he saw. Air Comet then informed Spanish civil aviation authorities. The Air Comet co-pilot and a passenger aboard the same flight also saw the light.

But Robert Francis, former vice chairman of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, said the question of determining where a plane broke up “is a very difficult one to deal with.” He told CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360″ that “there are lots of things that cause a plane to go out of control.”

He added that extremely strong winds are not unusual near Brazil. Pilots who fly over that part of the world keep track of radar and “are very, very wary about the weather as they go back and forth down in that area.”

Jobim said currents had strewn the debris widely and that the search area had been expanded to 300 square miles. Video Watch report on the struggle to find pieces of the plane »

The Airbus A330 went down about three hours after beginning what was to have been an 11-hour flight. No survivors have been found. Map of Flight AF 447’s flight path »

The NTSB said Wednesday it has accepted an invitation from the French aviation accident investigation authority, the Bureau d’Enquetes et d’Analyses, to aid in the investigation.

The aircraft’s computer system did send about four minutes of automated messages indicating a loss of cabin pressure and an electrical failure, officials have said.

Some investigators have noted that the plane flew through a severe lightning storm. Foul play has not been ruled out.

Air France had received a bomb threat May 27 for a flight from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Paris, sources in the Argentine military and police told CNN on Wednesday. Video Watch as experts question whether recovery is possible.

According to the officials, who had been briefed on the incident and declined to be identified because of the ongoing investigation, the Air France office in Buenos Aires received the threat from a man speaking Spanish.

Authorities checked the Boeing 777 and found nothing. Security was tightened during check-in for Flight 415, which left on time and without incident, the officials said.

Most of the people on Flight 447 came from Brazil, France and Germany. The remaining victims were from 29 other countries, including three passengers from the United States.

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  1. Eagle5 says:

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=148191

    Dick Eastman: I Know What Happened To Air France 447

    According to Air France CEO Pierre-Henry Gourgeon the Air France AirBus flying from Rio to Paris transmitted “a succession of a dozen technical messages” indicated that “several electrical systems had broken down” which caused a “totally unprecedented situation in the plane.”

    Gourgeon is wrong. The events that resulted in the death of 128 people over the Atlantic were precedented. There have been several similar events.

    Reuters has reported that AirBus is claiming that the Airbus A330 has a good safety record, with no fatal accidents on a commercial flight. This is a falsehood that Reuters did not bother to correct.

    In Miami in 1999 pilot and co-pilot of an American Airlines Airbus A300 about to land suddenly lost control of the plane to an exogenous agency. The rudder moved several times on its own. “The rudder movements were extreme” said the NTSP.

    On Novemeber 12, 2001 American Airlines flight 587, an Airbus A300, lost control to a remote agency resulting in the rudder suddenly swinging back and forth violently, beyond the normal range that can be effected from the cockpit. The flight data showed “unusual sideways movements that slammed passengers back and forth,” repeated banging which caused tremendous strain of the vertical stabilizer until it broke off, despite the strengh of the lamination construction. The passengers were slamed back and forth prior to the crash in Queens, New York. But that was not all. After the rudder was gone the remote controller began playing with other equipment. With the rudder gone the rudder could still fly, however no the ailerons and elevators (the “flaps”) began moving in fatal ways. At one point was made to turn 10 degrees in just one second, and 180 degree turn in 18 seconds. The plane banked left, even though data shows pilots were working controls to move in the opposite direction.” The black box contained pilot and co-pilot and tower dialog on this but it was never released. (Marion Blakey, head of the NTSB, a Bush political appointee with no experience for th job, who was also heading NTSP a month before when the WTC was hit by two planes, the crash in Pennsylvania and the alleged crash of a jetliner at the Pentagon.)

    After these turns the remote controller put the plane into a nose dive and cut off the voice recorder, both the plane’s regular power and batteries. The plane was brought to full throttle and then the flaps were brought down, causing the engine pods to rip off their brackets and keep going as the plane slowed down. The N.T.S.B. offered only two possible explanations, either “the pilot made the rudder move intentionally or by accident” or the plane was brought down by “butterfly effect” turbulence from a Japan Airlines plane that had taken off ahead of the AirBus.

    Now perhaps we can begin to suspect that there was someone on that Air France Flight that the people who benefited from the remote-control crash of the 9-11 planes and the 11/12/01 plane did not like.

    By the way, Dov Zakheim is the man I think is responsible for the 9-11 crashes and one more crash which occured on the early morning of October 31, 1999.

    That Halloween morning EgyptAir 990, a Boeing 767 took off from JFK for Cairo, Egypt. The plane had aboard 22 top Egyptian military that had just received special training in the United States — lured into this trap by the bait of the unusual sharing of military information. At about 2:00 a.m., from the vocie recorder, the Egyptian pilot excuses himself to go to the toilet. The pilot and co-pilot are Egyptian and they speak Arabic. But suddenly there is heard on the voice recording, in English, the words, “Control it.”

    Then the plane deviates from course on its own while still on automatic pilot. The pilot responds to this event with an exclaimatory prayer: “Taw ak kalt ala Allah,” roughly equivalent to “Heaven help us!” “May God protect us!” if not “Jesus Christ!” The co-pilot attempts to disengage autopilot, but the remote controller will not yield. The co-pilot is in a panic and again praying for help. The plane, still on auto-pilot goes into a nose dive. After 16 seconds of remote-controlled hijacking the pilot re-enters the cockpit and asks the co-pilot what is happening. Both work to pull up and as they are both trying the plane goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines.

    Then, again under remote control the right and left elevators move in opposite directions. Ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders, in Arabic, “shut engines.” The co-pilot replies: “They’re shut!” The last words heard are those of the pilot calling out, of course still in Arabic, “Pull! Pull!” Then, exactly as happened with Flight 587 over Queens, the voice recorders are remotely shut off — before the crash event. The US NTSB reached the conclusion — against all of this evidence — that the co-pilot was somehow responsible.

    Some passenger in Miami in 1999 needed to be fightened by a demonstration of power. Someone aboard Flight 587 was a problem for the criminal conspiracy now in control of the US and Israeli governments. And someone on the Air France flight was equally a threat or target of vengence for the same interests.

    You will notice the lame excuses why the Air France black boxes cannnot be recovered.

    9-11 was not the work of “Islamic Fundamentalists” who “hate our freedoms” and therefore hijacked four jetliners on September 11 and and crashbombed the WTC towers and the Pentagon. No one can argue the REAL evidence proving this. (They can and do of course argue, for example on Fox News, with people who have impossible theories about no planes at all hitting the WTC or absurd tales about energy beam weapons in orbit bringing down the twin towers and Building 7 — but that is part of the pre-planned disinformation obstruction of justice psy-op the perpetrators are using.

    I suspect the target of the crash was French and an opponent of the Sarkozy, the very close supporter of the agendas of both the Bush and Obama presidencies in international financial matters and middle east and war on terror policies.

    The victims of this murder were from 32 countries. 61 were French, 58 were Brazilian and 26 were Germans. No Israelis were aboard or American Jews were aboard. Sarkozy’s French Environment Minister, Jean-Louis Borloo, has declared officially that hijacking has been ruled out. How in the name of Allah could they possible have done that in the light of the facts I have relayed to you which are certainly known to them?

    One more point: The international killers crashed the Air France plane in part because they were secure in the knowledge that the Sarkozy government, like the Bush government in 2001, would do all that was necessary to keep the truth from being told. The black boxes will never be produced — I haven’t been following the news for since the day of the crash, but I feel that is a safe prediction.

    Death by airplane has been the preferred method of eliminating individuals without drawing suspicion to the specific background and connections of an “isolated victim.” We can’t let them continue to get away with it.

    Dick Eastman
    Yakima, Washington
    Every man is responsible to every other man.

  2. admin says:

    Interesting points, but as can be read on this site, there is another possibility, one of which seems to have been brought forward by not only Mark, but the galactics themselves.
    http://www.welcomethelight.com/2009/06/mark-on-missing-air-france-jet/

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